Had these with fadogia for a while.
I find my motivation to workout is *lower* on this combo, so I've had some breaks. Might be because I feel less p'd off in general and anger has been a motivator for me in the past. Anyway, when I have been consistent for months, I'm hitting personal bests on lifts.. to the point where I can't really put it down to anything else. My diet has been consistent for over a decade and I'm 41, casually out-repping and out-lifting my 27year old previous "tank" self. I go hard, but it's like my muscles forget to struggle. I'd say DOMS is sightly worse, but given the gains, I'm not surprised - and I have to split up tongkat into two doses of 200mg personally otherwise it gives me the runs.
I bought this stuff thinking it was snake oil.
My pharmacy tech friend tells me it is, and I am always cynical, but my results make me believe otherwise.

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